and leslie, i think it would be a political issue rather than a gender issue if the gentleman involved were a republican and he was talking about legitimate fear of rape. >> no, you're wrong. >> well, okay, but if it was a legitimate fear of rape that he was talking about, maybe you wouldn't do it, that certainly would be the story line if this guy was a republican, it would be embl emblematic of everything that the republicans say, but he sounds like in the rules he's offering up for self-defense, which is not self-defense at all, are absurd. they sound like they're coming from the university of riyadh in saudi arabia, like they're coming from the 1920's in the united states of america and the idea that the best way to keep women safe is to disarm them, announce that they will be disarmed, so there's no deterrents whatsoever, run to a call box and wait for somebody to show up and save you, which will probably be a man with a gun, or possibly a woman with a gun and i'm not sure whether this guy is rare as you mention, there are women in the military, women who are police officers, wome